How to Convince a Skeptic
There is little doubt that the Make Money Online niche has a horrible reputation – so bad in fact that I would have nothing to do with it except that it does have a huge selection of keywords that draw traffic. It is an ideal Adsense niche for that reason alone but when coupled with the amount of advertisers available it is proving to be an exceptional Adsense niche. Compared to my best niche it doesn’t have the CPC but it has almost unlimited potential for adding keywords. When I say “adding keywords” I simply mean it has an unlimited number of terms that I can rank on top of the serp’s with. Take the 4 word term “Make Money Online with…”and add anything after the “with” and you have a new keyword phrase that can be targeted. The point is obvious – the more keywords you rank on top of the serp’s for the more search traffic you will get.
There are not a lot of niches that can grow with such ease. Most niches have a small core group of terms that garner traffic and once you have topped the serp’s for them you are done growing. They can be profitable but your profit is limited.
The MMO niche unfortunately attracts a lot of social bloggers who jump in with the intent of selling crap that will supposedly make people money. This is nothing new and the cumulative effect has been to give the entire niche a bad rep.The sad fact is that most people with an ounce of skepticism in them now assume that anyone claiming to make money online by any means other than selling advertising is full of bullshit. I can’t say I blame them. The vast majority of people who claim to make money online really only make a few dollars and it comes in haphazardly and usually at the expense of someone else without giving value in return. The odd affiliate sale for a product that is worthless would be the norm here.
I like to think I’m different from 99% of the people involved in the MMO niche. The big difference between me and everyone else isn’t my willingness to give out free information or my willingness to help others out. That is nothing more than my shtick – it is an easy way to produce content. The difference is that I use the niche to make money with Adsense and can do it with or without readers.
Having readers is a double edge sword – they provide me with great links (having subtly explained how to use anchored keywords in the links) and I try and repay their generosity by writing useful content that really will make them money if followed. On the other hand having readers curtails my ability to target keywords. Simply put – I have to optimize my posts for various terms without being too obvious. I would love to create a post a day on my beginners blog with titles like – “Make Money using Twitter”, “Make Money using Digg” and “Make Money using Stumbleupon” but my readership would quickly evaporate. It’s not that the posts would be accurate or useful – I just want to rank for those terms which would bring in yet more search traffic in order to increase my Adsense revenue. The same goes for writing posts about every piece of crap affiliate product that comes online. I don’t want to sell any of it – I just want the search traffic. I make money online by driving a lot of search traffic to my sites and there is no niche that I have found that has the potential for search traffic like the MMO niche.
If I could make more money without readers – why don’t I? There are a couple of reasons aside from links which I can rustle up on my own if need be. The biggest reason is that I like having readers – I have made lots of friends and we help each other out. I also haven’t given up on the idea of selling Advertising – at some point with a large enough base of readers I may be able to command enough Ad revenue that it will outperform Adsense. This has happened with my best earning site. I have 3 Corporate advertisers who pay me far more than I was earning with Adsense. The site has no readers per se but it sits atop the serp’s for a highly searched set of keywords and I outrank the 3 corporate giants for their own products. They couldn’t outrank me so they joined me. I should point out that it’s only in the MMO/Blogging/Social Media niches that you need RSS subscribers to attract advertisers – you just need to dominate the serp’s in any other niche.
Okay – aside from blabbering on and stuffing in a few keywords there is a point to this. Yesterday a fellow left a new comment on an old post on Court’s Internet Marketing blog. His name is Jim Green and he left the following comment;
What difference does it make? Attempting to make money from Google ads is an exercise in futility. You can write brilliant articles, get a high ranking and subsequently get a crap load of traffic to your site, but at the end of the day while you make have a crap load of impressions, your ad clicks will be low for two reasons: 1. Google’s algorithms are seriously flawed when it comes to matching relevant ads with content (Their Competitive Ad Filter is a joke). 2. People have simply stopped clicking on ads or banners.
Face it, the days of the average site owners making money from Adsense are over. The only one who is making any real money is Google and a modicum of business owners who have always used the internet to marketing their products or services. If any site owner or blogger tells you otherwise, ask them to show you a copy of their last tax return.
Jim’s impression of Adsense is by no means isolated – I see comments like this almost daily in one forum or another or in the comments on one blog or another. If you click on Court’s link and scroll down the comments you will get a pretty good idea of just how ill-informed people are when it comes to making money online. The post had to do with everyone’s favorite topic – “content vs links”. As usual all the comments come from bloggers and not internet marketers and with few exceptions they all feel that content is king because it will get you readers etc… I won’t rehash my feelings on this except to say that none of them mention “making money”. The goal of bloggers is obtaining readers. None ever seem to ask if readers will make you money – they simply assume that they will. This doesn’t bother me in the least as they can find out the hard way. Jim’s comment did bother me though and it did so because he actually addressed the issue of making money online.
It bothered me because he came to the conclusion that Adsense doesn’t work because of all the crap he has read and from his own trials. He is a skeptic and rightfully so. He added several more comments in response to others telling him he was wrong and the end result is that unless he sees a tax return he can’t be convinced that Adsense is a viable way to make money online. There is no chance in hell that I’ll be forwarding my tax return to anyone but he got me thinking that there has to be a way to convince a skeptic. Normally I wouldn’t care but I liked how Jim wrote and I read his blog posts and my impression was that he is a decent intelligent fellow that is simply fed up with all the crap he’s come into contact with. I don’t know who he has been reading but it took 2 seconds to see where his problems lie. His posts are fine but his site is a SEO nightmare as far as Adsense goes. His site is not unlike all of the sites my readers have ask me to review – sites that I glance at and sigh because it will take posts as long as this one to explain what is wrong with them. Stuff that I have written about at length in my blogs. Stuff that new readers don’t bother to read. (Hint! – it would be quicker to read Make Money for Beginners than wait for me to review your blog – the answers are all there)
In Jim’s case I want to point out a basic fact about Adsense. If you are optimizing your site for the benefit of readers you will not do well with Adsense. You have to optimize your site for a machine (Google) and always remember that a machine is stupid compared to a human brain. Everything about Jim’s site is written for a person to read and absorb. If you want to write for people that is fine but you can’t make money with Adsense doing so and this doesn’t mean that Adsense doesn’t work – it works fine but not if you think you can just create a blog and write whatever you feel like.
Jim’s blog makes the following errors.
- his url has no keyword in it. (He uses his name – nothing that the bot can asign ad relevancy too)
- his blog title is “Demystifying Internet Technology” – Drop “Demystifying” – no ad relevancy.
- he has 5 separate unrelated posts on his home page. Use only one post per page for Adsense unless all the posts target the same keyword.
- the Adsense bot uses your post titles as the main indicator of what ads it will display. Give it five unrelated post titles on a page and yes you will get irrelevant ads. The bot is a stupid machine – it doesn’t know what the home page is about. If Jim checks his post pages (only 1 post on each page) he will see that he has relevant ads on them.
- put the large adsense block in the money spot – top left corner above all the content. Who cares if it looks ugly or that nobody reads your blog – you want to make money with Adsense. If you want people reading your posts then forget about Adsense – you can’t have both. (okay – yes you can but not until you understand how optimize for Adsense while writing for readers)
- Jim’s content is perfect for Adsense – it’s relevant to the post titles and it is real and well written. It would pass a visual inspection with flying colours. (International spelling 
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- last point and this applies to everyone. Quit trying to use adsense on your precious baby – you know the blog that means so much to you and conveys your true passions. If you want to make money then make money – if you want to be a writer be a writer. If you want to be a famous blogger be a famous blogger but quit assuming that you can make money with Adsense just doing what you feel like. I’d really like to make money just sitting on my ass sipping Rum in the sun but Google won’t give in and send me a check. The buggers actually require me to work for it.
It would do a lot of you some good to understand this – Google is not concerned about publishers. They are only concerned about giving value to their advertisers. They make money from them – not the publishers. They let anyone publish Adsense but if your site doesn’t provide quality traffic that converts for the advertiser they will pay you a cent a click. Jim mentioned in Court’s comments that Google isn’t very good at explaining how to make money with Adsense. He is correct – they don’t tell you how aside from a few vague references to producing quality sites. There is a reason for this – Adsense and SEO run hand in hand. If they told you how to optimize your site for Adsense they would also be giving away the farm on how to optimize your site for top serp rankings. They can’t tell people this or everyone would quickly be gaming the serp’s. I’m the one telling you how to do it.
Every thing I just mentioned about optimizing Jim’s site for Adsense will also optimize his site for the search engines. The last ingredient to making money with Adsense – and the hardest – is ranking on top of the serp’s for your keyword. It’s search traffic looking for your keyword that produces the best Adsense results. It’s a numbers game that can best be understood as follows;
1000 people find your site using stumbleupon – they see your post title “I Got Rich Overnight”. The stumblers read your post and find out you got rich overnight because your “Rich Uncle” left you a fortune. Most read and leave but a few click on an ad for a get rich quick product. They are just curious and don’t buy. The advertiser is pissed at G so G says – “don’t worry we will only charge you a few pennies for those visitors”.
1000 people find your site searching for “I Got Rich Overnight” in the serp’s. They read and most leave but a few click the get rich quick ads. They are more than just curious – they came online specifically looking to get rich quick. These people are far more likely to buy the advertisers product and a lot do. The Advertiser is happy and Google says “We will charge you a buck a click for those visitors”.
In either case Google doesn’t give a damn about you the publisher – you can provide the advertiser with traffic that converts or with traffic that doesn’t. If they convert Google gives you a better CPC. If your traffic is crap then you get pennies or worse – PSA’s (public service ads). If you really screw around you get banned.
Jim this post is for you and everyone else that thinks Adsense is crap. If you read my beginners blog and follow my advice you will make money using adsense. I’m not going to show you my tax return but I will ask you to use some common sense. My Make Money Online for Beginners blog is two years old, it has 2400 subscribers, it ranks on top of the serp’s for a lot of keywords. You can query a few to confirm – “how to make money”, “how to make money online”, “make money”, “make money online”, “making money online”, “earn money online”, “make money blogging” and dozens more if you are really bored. The point is my site gets traffic – a lot by most standards. So why don’t I sell anything? Why am I using Adsense on the site if it doesn’t make me any money? Why don’t I have ads above the fold? Does it seem logical to you that I would keep producing the kind of content I do and not be making money with Adsense? Would you continue for two years and not try and sell crap to a readership of 2400 people? There must be a logical reason as to why I only use Adsense.
You can click the link below to see my Adsense earnings for my beginners blog for the month of December – could I fake it – probably but I ain’t selling you anything except my integrity so keep that in mind. (Plus I am far to lazy to sit up all through New Year’s eve photoshopping a meaningless screenshot… and I don’t own Photoshop. lol )
Make Money for Beginners Adsense Earnings for December 2008
Below is a comment Jim left for me on Court’s blog and the motivation for this post.
Grizzly-
I’m not disillusioned but rather skeptical. I only put those ads on my site to prove a point regarding Google’s flawed algorithms. I wrote Google’s support asking for advice regarding the mismatch of ads to my content only to receive a form response giving me a list of links leading to explanations that I found to be far to complex for the average person to comprehend. I find it absurd that people like yourself have to explain Google’s Adsense model as obviously their own explanations are convoluted and that their support team is inaccessible.
Being that I am not a know-it-all, I will pursue your advice and if it works or doesn’t work, I will write an article about it down the road. Until that time, in all due respect, I remain somewhat dubious as to your claim that you make a lot of money from off your ads. Although I don’t doubt your sincerity, I think you are selling a pipe dream to bloggers.
-Jim
I don’t sell pipe dreams – I don’t sell anything actually to people who bother to read my posts. I make money from Adsense and search traffic and I tell others how to do it. Jim you have found someone willing to show you how. I hope you give it a try – the right way and drop by one day and tell me how you’re doing.
Oh for those of you who wrote to ask me why I used link bait on my New Year’s post – I did it to find out if my site is fully optimized for my keyword. The post title was The Death of the USA. If my blog wasn’t fully optimized in Google’s eyes I would have got some gruesome ads from Adsense. As it turns out I got a mixture of gruesome and MMO ads – this means I still have work to do optimizing the site as a whole. If done right you can get away with off topic post titles and still retain your primary keyword ads. Sorry for the change of pace – I told you it’s hard trying to optimize for a machine while keeping your readers in the loop!
Cheers to all and have a great year!
Griz
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Hi, I’m not sure where to begin reading your blogs. I need to find your advice for the brand new beginner blogger.
I have signed up for a new blogger account. I have started my blog. Now I need to know what steps to take, other than writing posts. I can wing it on my own for a little bit here, but I’m looking forward to learning all I can from you!
Good luck with the frozen pipes and cold weather!
Cyndi-
You’d be best starting with his beginners blog since you are just starting out; http://makemoneyforbeginners.blogspot.com/
Start with the archives, and work your way to the newer posts. This will help you build a solid foundation on your way to being a blog superstar.
Thank you! Once I explored the other blog for a bit, I found the lessons listed listed in the sidebar. Thanks for the reply! I really appreciate it! I can’t wait to get started and now I’m starting in the right direction!
Cyndi,
Start here: Make Money Blogging Lesson 1. From there find lessons 2-5. That should get you started.
Grizz,
Found you from a post on Courtney’s blog. Thanks for sharing your knowledge about (insert key word here) making money online! I’ve been thrilled with my adsense revenue. I have 15 blogs, some my own, some freeby wordpress.com, so some of them are monetized. I’m a State of California employee, and I’m facing a mandatory furlough. I’ve been able to replace the lost 2 days income consistently with Adsensse and Commission Junction – yea! One thing I’ve learned is to reasearch the keywords I select by using the Google Tool,and clicking on the “Show/hide columns” and “Show Estimated Avg. CPC” to help me select the higher paying keywords. Given a choice of a $.05 keyword or a $6.16 keyword, I’ll select the $6.16! (See, making money online is just like brain surgery!)What’ve I’ve learned today from you about making money online with Adsense is to display only one post. I’ll try that, and thanks!
Hi Penny: I work on a government contract that will expire this year, so I’m very motivated. How many months passed between when you first put up your money-making sites and when they covered your furlough days? Court and Mark have warned me to be patient, but it helps me keep my cool if I know a time frame. Thanks, and congratulations on your success.
LoreCee – got your message and I hear your pain about the end of your contract. Sorry, and I hope you land on your feet (and make money online!). My actual time frame is about 3 years. Don’t cry, the first 30 months were spent all by myself at Hard Luck University. The last 6 months were where the income actually became consistent and growing. Like in my previous post, my key learning about making money with adsense online was an aha! moment when I learned how to tell the 5 cent keywords from the 3 dollar keywords. That’s about the range I work in. I have my sights set on some great $10. keywords, but I have to put in my time learning how to compete in the shark infested waters of making money online first. I don’t usually talk about my actual dollar amounts because I don’t want to sound like The Rich Jerk, buy hey, if it helps you to know… Months 1 – 24 Adsense revenue was about $75. total. I didn’t think I’d ever hit the $100. payout. Same thing for Commission Junction. Just a random sale now and then. At about month 30 I got a link exchange request on one of my free WordPress blogs, and got to chatting with the other webmaster. I mentioned my (lack of) making money online, and he suggested I check out Courtney Tuttle and do everything he said. So I did, and my name above clicks to the first Courtney style blog I did. I also read everything PotPieGirl writes… Within a few weeks I had my first Google Adsence revenue, as I finally passed the $100. mark. And then I’ve had a check every month since. (So you know my income is greater than $100. per month with Adsense.) And it’s the same with Commisson Junction. I have 7 blogs with Adsense, and the income for the last period for each blog ranged from 80 cents to $294. Add them all up, it’s over $300. Throw in the Commission Junction income, and I’ve made enough money online to cover my 2 days pay cut. I’ve also had expenses, buying domain names, hosting, and buying the occasional coaching or mentoring. I certainly would’t suggest that an income large enough to cover your primary pay will materialize in time to help with your current situation. My goal with making money online is to grow the income stream over the next 5 years. I’ll be able to retire at about half pay then. My goal is to make enough money online to cover 12 days pay. I’d say I’m 15% of the way to my goal now! I also have to share with you that I’ve worked to learn online affilate marketing by putting my nose to the grindstone, probably an average 30 to 40 hours per week, while holding down full time employment and being a single Mom. It’s been tough. Good luck to you, and if you visit my blog and leave a comment I’d be glad to correspond with you. I have a few sneaky tips to share but don’t want to mess up this wonderful blog by talking about sneaky stuff! Best of luck!
Penny
GRIZ GREAT BLOG(s) – Ive been reading for the last 4 hours but my eyes are killing me now so i am writing a post to ask you a burning question…
Blogger Blogs – when creating them i continued to make individual blogs but on the same Email Blogger account (which they say in blogger TOS is fine) However!
Now thinking back on things, with regards to Link building and perhaps linking these blogs together under the same account, was that a stupid idea? Wont google penalize me for this?
Q1.I know you have 200 blogs but surely you don’t link the same blogs on one account to each other?
And second question related regarding your TOP 7 Niche Blogs (which a few also have corporate sponsers on) Are they seriously Blogger Blogs too? Or did you redirect your own Domain and just use the blogger platform?
The reason i ask is because im skeptical that corporations would pay a .blogger account – whats your methods, do you really have 200 .bloggers or have you been registering domains too?
so sorry if you already wrote posts on these – im tired but would just like to know this before i continue.
thanks
Hi, DaNNY – I’ll dare to answer some questions instead of Griz, as he is a away at the moment. First of all do not register more then 3-4 blogspot domains under one google account – it might raise red flags. If your blogs aren’t high quality and are made for ads only remove the navbar so they can’t flag it manually. Ideally it would be fine to register one blogspot domain per google account and move on. Register a new gmail account each time you do this and you are going to be fine. There is no need in paying for .com/.net/.org domains for your blogspot hosting if you are only starting out. Blogspot blogs are well optimized for SEO and if you know what you are doing you can get position 1 in serps for your keywords with the free platform. Making money online is all about experimenting and trying what best works for you.
Hope this helps,
Ion
Jim,
I just started reading your blogs and I am trying out your ideas in two niches to see if I can make this work.
Two quick questions:
1. For one of my niches there are a lot of forums on web sites relating to the same topic. Do you think that posting comments to the forums that include links back to my web page with good anchor text will generate “quality” backlinks? Or are forums somehow rated lower. It sees like an easy way to get back links from pages with relevant content without much effort.
2. Typically, about how long does it take for changes (either in the content of my page or in the number of backlinks) to show up in the google results?
Even if this doesn’t make a lot of money I have to admit it has been enjoyable reading.
TIA,
Josh
Sorry Grizzly, meant to address the question to you but I’ve been reading the whole Jim thread and must had him stuck in my brain.
-Josh
Hi Josh,
And I wouldn’t worry I’m sure Grizz won’t be offended. Sometimes the mind just starts to boggle after and and hours of reading and absorbing information.
I’ve done that before as well
If your niche is perhaps something to do with your comment URL then I would say from a little experience that there are some big players in this niche to compete with, but it is also ENORMOUS, in that there are millions of searches per month on this and related topics.
I setup a little site about a month ago on this topic (if I have guessed correctly) and I have taken it to about 100 per day from search engines in under 4 weeks – many many long tail searches. Have not even begun to rank for my main keyword phrase yet…
Something that has really helped accelerate the growth is Connect Content which Griz blogged about on the other blog just before Xmas.
I’ve written a little about my experience at:
http://blog.joomlabear.com/increase-web-traffic/
I’ll post an update shortly as well because things have accelerated somewhat since I wrote my little review.
Yes your are probably guessing correctly. I’m targeting a specific keyword subset, but I figured that the target audience was large and likely to spend a lot of time in front of a computer. Sort of like the exact opsitie of choosing the keywords “I never use computers”. The other area I chose is completely unrelated. Curious to see which does better.
Thanks for the Connect Conent suggestion, but for now it seems like paying for a service somehow violates the integrety of the experiment. Of course I may change my mind if I can’t make much progress on my own;-)
-Josh
Hey there Josh – you’ll need backlinks to make it work. Thats the crux of it. Email meand I’ll see what I can do as I have a couple of sites in this niche – btw I managed to get 8 backlinks through connect content for the site in question. And that was achieved in approx 1 month. That is why I’m seeing so much traction.
Man, I’ve been here for hours. I literally stumbled on Griz’s make money blog on blogspot because I was bored and made a search in G for “make money online” to see who comes out first. It was years ago that I did that, so I thought it would be fun. Guess what, Griz’s blog came out tops! So I thought, “This had better not be some spammy blog”, and I clicked through to take a look.
Then I went from post to post to post to post for the last 3 hours or so. There’s just so much great content, it’s unbelieveable!
The title of this post didn’t really tell me much about what it’s about…until I read everything that Jim and Griz had to say. Again, very interesting, and great content.
Bookmarked, and will definitely revisit!
Darren Chow
All I can say is I am happy people like you want to help others incuding myself out with the Make Money Online Niche. You must enjoy this or I am sure you would find something else to do with your time. Thanks for all the help you render.
Griz,
Thanks for all of your tips! I have a question for you – I am an actor with a lot of free time, so I have been researching ways to make money online for 3 years now. Most of the ways I have found to make money involve residual, royalty or supplemental income.
Rather than try to compete with the big dogs (or bears!) with the term “make money online” – I decided to target “residual income” and “royalty income”. I have been posting daily. Can you give me your input on this?
Thanks,
Michael-John Wolfe
http://www.residualsandroyalties.com
http://www.mjwolfe.com (acting website)
Michael,
You have the right idea but your two main keywords barely reach 3000 searches a month combined. Nothing wrong with that but you will have to add a lot of other targeted (and related) terms to get the kind of traffic you’ll need to make any serious money.
Unfortunately your niche is still under the MMO umbrella and selling affiliate products/sign ups to other would be Internet marketers is a tough go. I’m not trying to dissuade you but making money in the IM arena is not very profitable for the time involved unless you can reach A-List status. ie. You can make far more money with a “Shoe” website for the time involved.
The MMO niche is appealing because it interests bloggers and is easy to write content for – it just doesn’t convert to sales very well. The best money niches aren’t as appealing because most people aren’t interested in the topics and have a hard time writing content – if you can plod through though you will find they convert quite easily once you gain top serp rankings. There are 9 million searches for “Shoes” every month – that’s a lot of traffic and there are hundreds of related keywords that can be targeted. I’m not saying you should target shoes – I’m just trying to point out that if you really want to make a living online you have to get away from the Blogger mentality and focus on the niches that the Internet marketers dominate. There is little fame or glory in real Internet Marketing but it is where the money is at.
Thanks Griz!
I cannot believe you took the time to explain all of that to me. I truly appreciate it! What I am thinking about doing is increasing the keywords “make money online” in my posts and in my meta-tags and maybe adding that as a main focus to residuals and royalties. Do you think it will hurt me that the actual words “make money online” are not in the domain name? I don’t want to give up on this blog since it truly interests me, I saw your December adsense and honestly if I could get residuals and royalties to 1/4 those earnings – I’d be happy!
Thank you for the tip on niches too! I plan on starting a few niches soon. I have found one niche with 4400 searched per month, high advertiser competetion and a $18.92 CPC payment – is this good?
Later this week I’d like to do a blog posting on my site about you and your website – is this okay with you? (It will be all good stuff!)
Thanks,
MJ Wolfe
http://www.residualsandroyalties.com
Michael,
It’s not impossible to rank well for a competitive keyword that doesn’t appear in your URL (think Bidvertiser for MMO) but it will mean a heck of a lot more work. (ie. more backlinks) As for your post – I never say no to a backlink! lol and thanks in advance.
Hi Michael,
Grizz is a legend eh
you can see now why we all miss him when he goes into hibernation.
I just wanted to reinforce Grizz’s point about looking at other niches. Make Money Online is a tricky one because there are some seriously talented, and well connected, people working it – like Grizz
And then you also have a bunch of talentless sods who have not got a clue about SEO who are also trying to work it (I don’t mean you BTW – but a large bunch of people people who target the niche socially rather than through search optimisation)… I guess you could say it fiercly competitive.
Just a thought following on Grizz’s point about “shoes”, a friend of mine who is out of work in the film industry has setup a blog recently targeting some keywords related to the industry – terms the average Joe is not familiar with but do get searched for. Your mention of being an out of work actor made me think you probably have some knowledge of a field(s) that most of us do not.
Food for thought.
Hi and thanks for the input! Unfortunately, I am a newbie who “does’nt have a clue about SEO” – but I am trying to learn fast. I am going to stick with the MMO on that particular blog – but I will also pursue a few niches. (I have a lot of free time to write.)
I did have one question for you or for Griz. I understand that when using the keyword analysis tool that I want a highly searched keyword and a high paying keyword, BUT should I target keywords with Very High advertiser competetion OR very low? I can’t quite figure out which would be best. You advice is greatly appreciated!
Griz, I will let you know when I add this backlink – it will be soon!
Thanks,
MJ Wolfe
http://www.residualsandroyalties.com
Michael,
There is a catch 22 when it comes to high paying keywords – they all have high advertiser competition. The cost per click is determined by advertisers bidding for top spot in the serp’s. If there are only a few advertisers bidding on a keyword then the keyword CPC will be low. If there are a lot of advertisers then the CPC will be high. There are exceptions in niches where the ROI is low – these could have a lot of advertisers but none will bid more than minimum and the price will stay low. They can make money at 20 cents a click but not at 25 cents so none bid higher.
The high paying keywords are in niches like credit cards, lawyers, insurance etc. The advertisers can afford $50 clicks in some cases because their ROI is so much higher than some poor schmuck selling ringtones. In this case there may not be a lot of advertisers but those in the game will bid high just to get top spot. 1 credit card sign up can net you $165 or more. You can afford to pay $10 per click if you find every 10th click converts to a sale.
So to answer your question – I generally target keywords with heavy traffic first. If it is high paying great but I’ll take any keyword that can produce 50 cents a click as long as I know the keyword supports enough traffic. The key to online success is always traffic. Traffic first – money second when it comes to keywords. If you can get 3000 search visitors to any site online you can make money one way or another. (I said search traffic – not social traffic). If you run Adsense on the site and the keywords end up paying low for the term you haven’t lost anything. You still have 3000 visitors that can be funnelled to another site that does pay higher CPC. Or you can sell them something else.
The point is – get the traffic first. The money will follow. You could spend a year getting to the top of the serp’s for a $50 a click keyword only to find out that you get 1 click a week because traffic is sparse. (even though the keyword tools estimated high traffic) Something I have learned is that all the keyword tools in the world don’t really give accurate search numbers. At best they can fairly estimate the really high searches like “shoes” but they are way off on lower searches like “How to Make Money”. I rank 1 for the latter term and know how many searches are done and the keyword tools aren’t even close.
Target keywords in order of what niche provides the most keywords for growth first and whether the competition is manageable at your level regarding serp domination. Worry about the CPC last. There is no sense targeting a niche with high payouts if you don’t have a chance of ranking 1st. Or even hitting page 1. I have a few sites with fifty cent CPC which isn’t high but I get 200 to 400 clicks a day on them. It ads up fast so you don’t need high CPC keywords to make money with Adsense. You just need traffic.
Griz,
Now I just have to figure out how to get traffic!
How can I tell if I can even get to the first page on a particular subject?
I wish you taught a class! I would pay to attend it!
I added a link to your website in my sidebar on my R&R blog.
PS: I looked at some of your ads.
Who? What?
MJ
http://www.residualsandroyalties.com
Start with some of the early posts on Griz’s other blog http://makemoneyforbeginners.blogspot.com/
He covers all the basics there. Go back at least a year, it’s all good stuff. Once you have built your sites and done your basic on page SEO – title tags, etc You’ll want to start getting links. Grizz has more resources here on that as well. Keep reading and experimenting, you’ll get there.
Reminder: try some other niche topics! MMO is competitive and hard, you’re up against people who really know their stuff.
As an example niche I just did a quick keyword tool search on ‘Cowboy Boots’ (off the top of my head). The total worldwide searches for phrases that contained “cowboy + boots” in December was 1.2 million approx with an average of 800k per/m over past year.
Quickly scanning through the other suggested keywords I see a whole lot of phrases that could be targeted – like “shoes cowboy boots” – 200,000 searches – but that can be a bit misleading – hit the dropdown top right of the results and choose “exact” to find how many people searched for that phrase exactly and NOT a phrase that contained those words.
2400 using the ‘exact’ option – not huge but thats still getting close to 100 per day for ONE sub phrase you could target – we know there were over 1,000,000 searches in Dec so there must be a lot of other phrases out there as well.
Now shoot over to Google proper and do a quick search for “shoes cowboy boots” – I like to search for the phrase with and without quotes. With quotes returns me just pages containing those exact words in that order- 49,000 of them – that’s actually not to bad.
And quickly scanning the results I see the second result is for 3D clothes for a 3D model – this seems quite obscure and indicates to me that it can’t be fiercely competitive for something so obscure to be sitting in second place (that’s not guaranteed of course but at a glance it looks semi promising).
Additionally I see a full whack of sponsored links down the right hand side of my G search and this tells me there is good advertiser competition for this term (yeah you can tell the other way as well but this is good reinforcement).
So with a couple of posts on “shoes cowboy boots” and half a dozen backlinks I might be doing ok (or at least getting started).
But, Google is never going to respect you for stopping there – from my experience I’d need to make a commitment to this niche and start posting on as many other phrases I could find – if I can identify 100 phrases containing ‘Cowboy Boots’ that each get 100+ searches per day and write a post on all of them that adss up to A LOT of traffic and the results for my efforts will be cumulative – Google will start to respect my site more and more for having so much content around this topic (and only this topic).
And all the while I’m writing these posts I’ll also be seeking backlinks from my network of friends and other places.
Whew! quite a bit of work eh? But hey! if you start pulling $100 per day passively from this site after a year i’d say it was well worth it. And it won’t be to hard going if you have a thing for Cowboy Boots
Regarding links, I have been having very good experiences with ConnectContent at $12 per month, I put together a brief writeup over on my blog after I’d been using the network for one week, and I will post again shortly on my extraordinary experiences after 1 month:
http://blog.joomlabear.com/connect-content-increase-web-traffic-one-week/
FYI (warning!) I have affiliate links nestled in my post but I really don’t mind if you use them or not. I’m pointing them out because anyone who is astute would notice them anyway and I don’t want it to detract from my endoresement of the ConnectContent network.
Additionally, RT Cunningham who setup CC has been working extremely hard making the network hum – and not using my affiliate link will mean he does not have to give away any commission – He deserves this really
But I’ll leave my links there as the odd signup also helps me out in these trying times.
As I said RT who runs ConnectContent has been very proactive adding features and keeping everything running very smoothly. Two thumbs up.
And the more people we get involved the more diversity of niche topics we will have (as long as everyone doesn’t target MMO!) and the more successful the network will be for all involved.
However a quick last tip! – I strongly recommend anyone signing up with ConnectContent be prepared to write regularly on a number of topics – in my opinion you would want to have multiple sites on multiple niche topics and be willing to work hard to get the most out of it.
And if you want to know how much you can get out of it? Try this on for size :-
A new site I setup December 12th – has received 7 backlinks from CC in that time (I’ve give this many links to other people to earn those links). I’ve gleaned 2 links from other sources outside of CC. The site in question is now PageRank 4 after 5 weeks… Don’t know about anyone else here but I’ve never seen that happen this quickly. And I’m getting 60-100 visitors per day from search WHILE I’m still in the sandbox for my main keywords… all those visitors are from long long tails and I can’t wait until I can get out of this blasted sandpit, It’ll be awesome.
GO CONNECT CONTENT!!!
Hope some of those suggestions help.
Has anyone tried http://www.lavalinx.com/? I joined and have been receiving many social bookmark exchanges and link exchanges. It’s a clearing house for people that want to exchange links. It’s free, there’s no affiliate program, and it seems to work well. Anyone try it yet?
Heya Penny,
We discussed this
and I have registered for an account – I have not really had any results yet but it could work out.
The thing I like about ConnectContent – and maybe it’s main points of difference – is taht it’s basically driven by people who have followed Grizz’s blogs and the majority who are involved are working towards the same end and are reasonably clued up.
Links from CC come from sites on related topics and are contained in a 150 word+ post. Because the network is relatively small and RT is managing it we avoid spammers and link exchanges where you might give a decent link and then get one back from someones links page that has 100′s of unrelated links. That’s my concern with Lava, that free could come with a price.
Additionally the social traffic you mentioned – Grizz has covered some concerns on this – it does not typically convert well, possibly also lowering your adsense CPC because G sees it as low converting traffic – then you lose money on your search traffic as well.
I realise Lava also lets you trade links and avoid the social stuff if you so desire – so there are options at least.
I’m also interested in other peoples experiences here.
Hi Griz!
I posted a write up about you on my Residuals & Royalties blog — check it out at… (I also added two links to your sites.)
http://www.residualsandroyalties.com
Thanks again for all your tips – my traffic is growing quickly!
Michael-John Wolfe
http://www.mjwolfe.com
Michael,
Wish I had fans like you. Feel free to review my site next.
That’s very nice of you to review Griz’s sites.
However, SEO 101 calls for linking of relevant anchor text – so to give Griz the maximum kickback you’d want to link the words “Make Money Online” to this site
How do I make anchor text???
Send me you website and I will give it a good review in a few weeks – as long as it is in the money making genre.
Thanks!
Michael-John Wolfe
http://www.residualsandroyalties.com
http://www.mjwolfe.com
Hey Michael-John,
Thanks for the links – much appreciated.
Not to be a jerk – Joomla is right. You need to learn how to create hypertext links.
Go to the following post and scroll down till you come to the “Dog Grooming” section. I explain how to create a hypertext link. (Also known as a anchored keyword link)
How to Create an Anchored Keyword Link
The link above is a hypertext link. This means that the url it points to will now get some ranking in Google for the term used in the anchor. The “anchor is the actual wording used – in this case “How to Create an Anchored Keyword Link”
If you change your links to me to “make money online” then I will rank better for that term in Google as you are giving my site a “vote” for that term. If you just use a sites URL or the bloggers name in a link then you don’t really help them much as they would simply rank better for their url or name – neither of which would be terms people will be searching for.
Thanks Griz – I updated it – it is now an anchored link!
Check it out at http://www.residualsandroyalties.com
I really wish I could find someone who is good at the technical side of things like SEO, backlinks, adding plug ins and getting traffic to join up with me and make money.
I am good at writing articles, keyword rich articles, layout of the website, making vlogs or videos, visual stuff, writing ezine articles — but my weakness is the technical stuff.
I could create 50 blogs on blogger.com tommorrow – but I am not sure that they would ever get seen!
MJ
http://www.residualsandroyalties.com
Mr Wolfe,
I would be interested in discussing this with you – email me info [at] joomlabear.com
Big Bear
Hey Guys,
Is Bidvertiser any good?
I just added thier ads on the top and bottom of my Residuals & Royalties blog — will this affect adsense at all?
Here is my blog: http://www.residualsandroyalties.com/
Does bidvertiser pay as good as adsense?
BTW – I used ezine articles like you said and it is really working! I am getting more and more traffic – from each article I write!
PLUS – people are spending an average of 4 minutes on my site! I bet your average is like 20 minute Griz, with all the reading there is to do here!
MJW
http://www.mjwolfe.com
Michael-John,
Nothing is as good as Adsense. Bidvertiser and all the other pretenders suffer from one major problem – inventory. You may or may not get relevant ads with them as their Advertisers pale in comparison to Google’s. Keep in mind – Google is the largest ad network in the world – by far.
I would not use both Adsense and Bidvertiser on the same page. Too many exit points. One of the tricks of this trade is to limit your exit points. Don’t give the reader too many choices. Find the most profitable monetization model and stick it top left on your site (the money spot) and then funnel your traffic to it by not giving them any other choices other than to leave or click the ads in the money spot.
I could write a post (and have) regarding this but most people have way to many types of ads, banners etc on their sites. This doesn’t work. Try and stick to one method of monetization at a time and optimize the site for that one model.
Btw – 80% of my traffic spend less than 10 seconds on my sites. (Yes my readers spend lots of time but they aren’t the ones clicking my ads and they only make up 20% of my traffic) The trick to Adsense is to get traffic by ranking well in the serp’s and then converting that traffic to clicks and NOT into readers. This is why my sites look so ugly. It tends to make new visitors leave in a hurry – 8-12% leave by clicking an ad. The rest just hit the back button. This will go against all the advice you hear elsewhere – I’m not trying to capture readers. I don’t want people scrolling down past the fold. I make all my money with the ad block located above my posts and want people to either click it or leave.
Griz,
Have you found that earnings are greater when people spend more time on the site? Do you think that the 10 second bounce negatively affects earnings?
The rare click on an ad at the bottom of the page seems to return higher earnings… Another hunch I have is that ads right in the middle of content, actually in between two blocks of text, seem to return the highest amount per click.
Of course the ‘money spot’ gets so many more clicks than the other positions it still works out better overall just to run this spot. Perhaps this is your conclusion as well?
Interested in your thoughts on this.
@MJ I have had awful experiences with Bidvertiser and totally agree with Griz – The amount paid per click was lower than adsense, and the crap ads (due to the lack of decent inventory) meant few people wanted to click at all.
Joomla,
The factor that has the most influence on earnings per click or CPC is targeted traffic. Every page on your site is optimized for one keyword or another whether you intended it to be or not. By this I mean the adsense bot will decide what a page is optimized for whether it’s the keyword you think you’ve optimized it for or another one. When a visitor finds your page in search for the keyword the bot has the page pegged for and clicks an ad (in any location) you will get the highest payout. If the traffic isn’t targeted (came from some other source or the wrong keyword) you will get a lower CPC.
Since I added G’s analytics to my beginners blog the stats have only confirmed my previous findings. I wish I could post my adsense stats as all of you would flip if you saw just how much I make per keyword. In general, my eCPM (earnings per thousand visitors) averages about $32 for un-targeted traffic.
My eCPM for people who find my site using the keyword “how to make money” is double that.
My eCPM for the keyword “make money with adsense” is over $500 per thousand visitors using that term.
The point is – and I have said this often – targeted traffic clicking targeted ads produces the highest CPC. Nothing else effects your income as much as getting targeted search traffic. It doesn’t matter if the traffic takes 5 seconds to click your ad or 5 minutes. If they are targeted you get paid more. If they are un-targeted you get paid less.
Thx that for that Griz
That is the highest eCPM I have ever heard of. But I see how it adds up. $5 clicks on a 10% CTR… I have achieved a %10-15 CTR on some sites – however they are fairly low value keywords I have targeted so I don’t see anywhere near that eCPM.
I did think I recalled a post of yours recently where you mentioned that you can tolerate some degree of social clicks before earnings drop, and that time on site was a factor? But maybe I was mistaken.
Hi Griz and Joomla,
I spent all morning making “Cliff Notes for Griz’s Make Money Blogging for Beginners” lessons and I added a few of my own ideas.
(I hope you are flattered and not offended Griz – these cliff notes just make it easier, once I have read and followed all of your instructions and I want to repeat the process, I don’t have to search through loads of text.)
You can see my Cliff Notes here:
Ultimate Guide to Making Money Blogging
Let me know what you think!
MJ
Hi MJ,
Lots of good core parts of the process in that list – however the ordering is maybe a bit out, e.g. you don’t apply for the adsense account first – in fact Google will not typically give you an adsense account if you don’t already have a site with substantial content – in some cases they have been requiring the site also be a minimum of 6 months old.
And there are a few things I would not bother with, like bidvertiser. Though as with most things I had to find that out for myself – I’m a curious bastard.
It is a good list of reminders though – especially for beginners – points like “one post per page” etc.
Adsense = removed from atop the list and brought down.
Bidvertiser – Gone!
Thanks for the tips!
MJ
I don’t want to start a flame war over Bidvertiser – possibly some people have had good results with it? I have not had success with it, and Griz points out the reasons above why Adsense is the clear winner.
Maybe more what I meant is not just to cull Bidvertiser, but perhaps you could just reorganize “Get Ads and Affiliates on Your Blog” into “Get Adsense” and “Alternative Ad Providers”.
This could be useful as there are situations where a backup ad network comes into play – there are people who have lost their adsense accounts for one reason or another, etc
I guess it really comes down to whether this list is just useful reminders for yourself, or if you want it to be a list of things a newbie would work through and get some successful results at the end -
Do both of these with enough persistence and you will be a famous Blogger
Hi Griz,
Just wanted to drop you a quick note of thanks, since this post is about convincing a skeptic…
I started a new blog about a month and a half ago in a non-MMO niche (something I should’ve done long ago). I’ve been reading your tutorials for quite a while and decided to implement your suggestions fully regarding on-page blog design (although I still haven’t figured out all your tweaks yet!
)and off-page linking.
Well, I checked my main keyword phrase this evening, and there it was – my ‘ugly little blogger blog’ has cracked the first page of G at position #8. Yes, I’m jacked! In addition, I logged into G’s webmaster tool and saw that I’m actually ranking for 16 different keyword phrases, which is …. well, pretty cool indeed.
The niche is food related and not nearly as competitive as MMO (1.9 mil listings for my main phrase without quotes), nor is the CPC setting any records, but the point is simply this …. your teachings and methods flat out WORK – no question about it. Now it’s just a matter of rinse and repeat for my additional blogs and sites moving forward.
I can’t thank you enough for your clear-cut, straight to the point advice that you so freely share with us. I hope this clears up any doubt that new readers here may have as to whether or not this works – IT DOES.
Best to you,
Scott
Scott,
Sorry for the delayed response. I’m glad to hear you are making progress and thanks for the affirmation regarding my techniques. Yup – they work. The trouble with most people is that they just don’t implement what I say – they build the sites but don’t get the links (too much like work I guess). In any event – those that put the time in will see results. Nothing magic about it – Google just likes backlinks.
Thanks for taking the time to report in – I appreciate it and wish you well Scott.
Griz-
I see that you’ve gotten a lot of much mileage from my skepticism. Gee, I feel almost famous or should I say infamous.
-Jim
Hey Jim – is this a subtle hint that I should quit milking your “infamy” and write a new post? Damn that means more work! lol.
Hope all is well.
Griz-
lol. Not at all.
I’m glad your article has gotten so many people to respond. Maybe I should write another “skeptic’s” viewpoint about Adsense to get you rolling on another new post.
I rather enjoy playing the role of devil’s advocate. It brings a lot of people out of the woodwork.
-Jim
Hi Jim,
Griz gets a lot of mileage out of most of his articles. They’re not retreads, they are the genuine article
I hope you found some of Griz’s points helpful and I sincerely hope you get more out of your adsense. Adsense sure can be a headache to get right, but once you make that bot think your content is valuable you will succeed.
Joomia-
Thanks.
-Jim
Joomla,
I figure if I’m going to write these horrid long posts they can at least sit on the front page for as long as it took to write them. That’s the mileage I like. (and I’m lazy)
Thanks Griz, I learn something new about ways to make money online every time I visit. I’ve read eye tracking studies, and know that the top left corner of the page is the #1 viewed spot, but I didn’t put 2 and 2 together with that. I have 14 websites and blogs, some monetized, and some do better than others. The ugly ones are the highest paying! And yup, the ads are top left! Without thinking too much about it I’ve developed some of my sites for readers, some for keyword shoppers! So, I’ll drop a tip in your tip jar, here’s where I have used a bit of my cyberspace to plug you: Charitable Fundraising Ideas
Here’s to making money online with Adsense!
Thanks Penny – much appreciated. I’ve added your site to the link resources page and wish you well with it.
Much appreciated! BTW, have you been getting any traffic from http://alphainventions.com/? They’re cracking me up! It’s kind of random, but I’ll get little waves of visitors! Also, didn’t think about the comment that was made upstream about social links… I thought digg links were good links??
Penny, if you’re talking about a BMD style approach, Digg, Propeller, and a few others will give you low quality FOLLOWED links, so in that respect they are good, but although the links may be good, the TRAFFIC that can result from it is not.
Thanks Fiar, BTW, (by the way to those of you that don’t have a 12 year old going on 21 in the house) your site gave me a laugh out loud this morning before my first gallon of coffee! I loved your code of comment ethics, particularlily the part about “It is a brutal dictatorship where I rule with an iron fist.” So refreshingly honest! Do you want to be BFF? (Best Friends Forever, again, 12 year old not SEO!)Loved how you slipped your keywords next to your name, I’ll try that too!
Help with acronyms anyone? BMD?
Penny – “BMD” is a bookmarking program – “Book Marking Demon”
OK, LOL, (laugh out loud)I’ll look up Book Marking Demon! Learn something new every day! Gotta run, making money online with adsense in a few minutes!
Reading this, I’d say that it’s better to have to blog for your niche. One to express you passion, be creative, and write for the sake of winning readers and social networking and another for purely profit. Build the second around AdSense and/or AdBrite. This way you can have your cake and eat it too. It bit more work, but less compromise.
[...] over at MakeMoneyOnlineGrizzly wrote a long blog post about making money online. He seems to be defending AdSense, but he had [...]
This skeptic is finally giving up. I’ve tried everything I can think of. I’ve followed Griz’s advice as well as plethora of others and after nearly 8 months not only can I not make any money with Adsense ($7.65), I can’t get any traffic. I average around 30 visitors a day… if I’m lucky.
Jim – aaahhhh I was in the same boat for almost 2 years – don’t give up, get smart!!!!! Here’s a magic bullet that brought me from 2 cents per click to over 2 dollars a click!!! First, I made a page for you to see the facts: http://www.listcharity.com/jim-dont-give-up
If I give all the links of what to do next I’ll get stuck in Grizz’s spam filter, so just go check out what I’m trying to show you – don’t give up – you CAN make money online!!!
Hi Grizzly
First off –
You make sense.
You write intelligently.
Your information is top-notch.
I don’t agree with:
“If you are optimizing your site for the benefit of readers you will not do well with Adsense. You have to optimize your site for a machine (Google) and always remember that a machine is stupid compared to a human brain.”
I optimise for both readers and machines. I have an overall 20% CTR and gain anywhere from 20c to $5.00 per click. I’d say the page that makes me the most gives me 50c clicks. That page also has a CTR between 40-45%
I love writing a resource that gives people answers – and I optimise for them first – SEs second. And yeah, I make good money. I’m from Australia, but target the USA mostly.
I’ve only been doing this for a year – but I love it. Anyone who says adsense doesn’t work just hasn’t applied enough thought to how they can make it work.
I came across your sites today – and they are right on the money. You certainly know your stuff!
Hi Grizzly -
Thanks for your insight into Adsense. I started 5 blogs specifically for adsense income a few months back… I was in a high ticket coaching program that promised us $200/day in 60 days. Well… to get there, they wanted us to have 40 blogs up within 60 days, w/ about 20 posts each… impossible for anyone that has to eat and sleep, let alone do anything else – in my experience anyway. I got 5 blogs up, and realized it took way too much time and effort for a few bucks in Adsense – I gave up.
But your blog has inspired me to revisit the adsense blogs. I am now pretty good at SEO, and teach anyone in my downline about how to drive traffic to their sites… one of the techniques of course being the use of blogs and targeting different keywords.
thanks again for the advice!
Stacey Stanley
Hi Grizzly -
Thanks for your great posts on using blogging and adsense. I came across your site via keyword academy, what a blessing you where. I read and read your blog for beginners. I was glued to the screen; with so much information I thought I may never see my bed for a few days. After finishing and recapping I printed out important parts, so I had them at hand while on the computer. These sheets or should I say small booklets have become my adsense blogging bibles. I am a newbie to mmo so bear with me.
I have an online business and I have started using your keyword instructions for my blog, which is my name above. I changed my main title to use my keywords and started a section called articles to contain my keyword posts, however because of the theme of my website and blog I get to use my keyword a lot, which is cool. I have also started another blog on blogger based around recipes; because I need to understand everything you said and see if I understood correctly. Well it has been up for 3 weeks now and even though it’s not at serps 1, it is on page 2 which I thought was brilliant considering I did not have a clue before.
Reading the comments on your posts are so insightful, those alone can take days to get through. Anyway the problem I was having once I saw your instructions work and the results I had seen is finding a niche. I understand there are many, for I now live in Google tools. The thing for me is I have in my head I either need to know a little about the niche or if not finding the motivation to get into the subject to write about it. After reading this post and many, many comments I came across a comment about cowboy boots and the results they mentioned and about the out of work actor who was told to do something in his field. That got me really thinking, I have been thinking of niches I could use then I thought I already know a niche, I was working init for 4 years. At that moment all the information came flooding back to me.
Now I have a question, it may seem simple but I’m not sure where to go from here until I can get some help with them.
question: I read in ur post to only use 3-4 blogs to 1 account to dominate a niche. I put my keyword in google tool and its searched for a lot, plus there are many variations using the keyword. My question is do I just use one that focuses on one area and write posts just around that Or do I create a blog which focus around the keyword in general. If I do the 1st then the blog will only have a few posts and I’m not sure that will be enough to get me and keep me in serps 1. From reading your beginner’s blog each post kind of bounces of each other and that’s how my niche would work. If I did it all in one blog it would probably have over 90 posts that’s using the good keyword long tails google has given me then additional posts like cleaning, buying, selling, etc which would relate to all the other posts.
I hope you can put me right, I can’t wait to get started I just need a shove in the right direction.
I look forward to your reply – sorry about the loooong post but I could not say what I wanted to say in a few lines.
Great blogging and I look forward to your next posts.
Have a great day
J
Is it true what some say, that Google will not give as much rank for a new site (with no significant traffic yet) with AdSense versus a site without AdSense.
This is basically a question: “When is the right time to put AdSense on a site?” Right after publishing the site or after the site receives some decent traffic?
A well researched site, I’ll link to it from my site thanks
Griz-
Because of the inspiration, encouragement and support from one of your commentors, Penny Gould, I’m back in the game with two sites. I’m ready to move forward with two more, but I want to use the two I have as a template formula for future sites with a few variation here and there.
When you have the time, I’d appreciate it you’d take a look at the one URL I’ve left in your “Website” field for this comment section and give me your opinion.
Signed, on my way to being a convinced skeptic.
-Jim