31 responses to “Link Profiles”

  1. Jack

    So Griz, what do you use to create your static sites?

  2. ariston / no money online

    Thanks for the heads-up Grizz! :P

    btw, here’s my noob question… should I always confirm(ownership) to G every time I had a new site?

  3. Darren

    Nice to have you back Griz. True to form, another great post. I guess I can mark my calendar – track the golfing season and I will know when to look for new posts.

    How cold is in in MB? Last time I was there was 2 years ago and it was -20, too cold for a Torontionian.

    Question related to the post: Is there any additional benefit to using “spunfree” posts for articles besides the chance they will stay indexed longer (or indexed at all)?

  4. Jack

    Thanks. That sounds like the way I get through most of my way/day at work. So many people have done so much before me that I usually don’t need to reinvent the wheel. By the way, has anyone invented a wheel yet? I think inclined surfaces will go over really well.

  5. Sam

    Thanks Grizz.

    If you think you’ve been penalized, do you need to remove the offending links to regain trust? Or is gradually adding new links to create a more balanced profile going to cut it? Often you cannot remove a link already placed…

    Judging by how often problogger is mentioned in your posts, Twitter was quite smart in grouping you together lol

  6. Tracey

    Hi Griz,

    Thanks so much for the link.

    So I got it *mostly* right about why some websites got penalised for exact anchors, but didn’t take it far enough in working out that trust is another major factor. I knew there had to be something else though but couldnt’ put my finger on it.

    That’s why you are the best. Griz you rock.

    t xx

  7. Dave Starr

    Very good info here, Griz, for those who care to pay attention that is. As some of the other regulars here know, I’m an American living in the Philippines (like our good friend RT).

    A few months ago a very popular link building technique/service got quite popular in these circles, centering on hiring groups to post dozens of profile links and comment links, for pay, to allegedly relevant blogs. Several of these services are based in the Philippines.

    Now there’s nothing wrong with working with people in the Philippines, hey I’m married to a Filipino and I have loads of friends and family here … it’s a great place to live.

    But likely becuase people given the task of finding blogs to build links on are liable to look first in places they are most familiar with … and my primary personal “real” blog … not a money-making venture … is about the Philippines, guess what I saw … for months now.

    Dozens of scammy, one-liner blog comments, all built around certain keywords and certain, repetitive sites, all using me as a convenient place to wipe their feet and leave behind links and keywords. Seriously, in a span of several months my comment traffic quintupled … and that sure didn’t happen becuase I was writing better posts ;-)

    The most correct thing I know that’s been said in recent history regarding the Google algorithms is your comment above, “It depends”.

    Nobody can say, for a certainty, that this technique or that technique will have exact consequence “A” or exact consequence “B”. Those that say they do know fall into two categories … somebody trying to work a scam or somebody who is actually ignorant of what’s going on and doesn’t even realize they are ignorant.

    My gold-plated, years of experience advice .. for free, I haven’t put the $47 eBook on the market yet ;-) , is:

    Stop trying to game the system to get thin sites artificially into the SERPS.

    If you want to rank highly for “oil filters”, instead of paying human robots to artificially build links and comment spam for “oil filters’, spend your personal time (or your outsourcing budget) on providing information (and easy one click buying) for “oil filters”.

    Another true “Griz-ism” expressed above is that Google is better than it used to be and is continually morphing and changing. Stop chasing last month’s “secret technique” and provide value (i.e. a thicker site) and I can assure you that you’ll be rewarded, and what’s more, you’ll never have to worry about any sort of penalty.

    Merry Christmas and a very Happy and Prosperous New Year to all.

  8. S-Gayan

    Hi GrizZ!,

    Thank you for the “tips” ;-) and yes I used to have a site which is about 3 months old and about 6-8 posts in it :( and after hearing some advices from one of my good friends I decided to make it “not that thin” (sorry kinda stuck with words these days :D lol). So after the next 2 months I put like 130 + original content (each 500 + plus) in the site and now getting some traffic and some $$ ;) as well and continuously keep writing.

    Just wanted to stop by and say THANK YOU.

    S-Gayan.

  9. Ryan

    hmm,

    So you’re saying don’t use anchor text link, it doesn’t really matter?

    So I can just use domain.com, persona name, a lil bit of keywords variations and i’ll rank?

  10. Frank C

    Thanks for the reminder about the links to your old site. I think I’ve got about 1000 or so to deal with.

    My take is that people get way too worried (or Googlenoid) about the exact number of links per day or the exact percentage that will trigger a ‘penalty’. Often they aren’t doing enough to trigger anything except a low ranking because they don’t have enough links and certainly not enough quality links.

    On the ‘branding’ thing, I do think Google is trying to work that angle but they’re being less than successful at it. For example, I was taking a look at some potential niches in a particular topic today and almost all I found on the first couple of pages of results were auto-gen mega-sites. They were forum, article directory and RSS feed scrapper sites for the most part with between 50K and 100K pages total. Their external links were almost all ‘branded’ ones, and amazingly relatively high quality ones at that, while their internal linking and page titles were almost all highly keyword targeted. It does make you say, “hmm…….”

  11. atma

    Thanks for the post, Griz. Your experiments and experience helped so many people already. I started to make money online thanks to you! So I wish you long, happy and prosperous life and the best health!

  12. RED

    Griz, regarding branding. Would we be better off with out an exact match domain now? I’ll provide an example.

    Say we have website on the keyword “Fountain Pens”.

    Would “fountainpens.org” be better or worse than a branded name such as “FountainPlanet.com” or “PenMonster.com”. You get what I’m saying? I’ve seen many sites on the serps at the top with atleast one of the keywords in the title even if it was for two or three word keywords. They usually throw in an unrelated word like “galaxy”(pengalaxy.whatever). I’ve also seen the exact matches get on there as well? In your experience do you know which is better. I’m probably looking for an easy answer, but I assume age has everything to do with it. I’m willing to bet that exact matches can get closer to page one faster(but may not rest in position 1 easier). Right or wrong? What’s Griz’s take?

  13. #1 Griz Fan!

    Hello From Winnipeg Griz!

    Merry Christmas And A Happy New Year To You And Yours!

    Go Jets Go!! ;P

    Huge fan of your work Griz! I like the new site too very user friendly!

    I popped back into your site here tonight because the other night i noticed you had h3 tags up on your widgets headers and noticed my blogger blog was using h2 widgets, and h3 post tags so i thought i would come double check more working examples and noticed your new post and your post title is h1 and yer header appears to be just reg text.. comments or insight on this please or just get back to the back links and dont worry or does it help to use popular, profitable, and relevant keywords/phrases in widget H2-6 tags and posts? H1,2,3 for post tag? What do you think about using POST TITLE NAME with link back to main site page with keyword and phrase as part of onpage seo compared to BLOG TITLE NAME?

    I noticed some time ago that “now” when i post a new article on my blogger blog within about 5 minutes on most posts my new page is indexed and appearing in the top ten serps if not #1 in some low competition niches and seems to do ok in mid competition niches… is this “trust” in the eyes of G rather then having to wait days and days for the new post to be indexed let alone ranked? is this the “sandbox” or “trust” or what type of name can i put to this phenomena, avoid it on new sites, or is it a “just wait..” thing.

    I also had a question about what happens after your post is moved off the main page and replaced with a new one… I noticed that when I post a new page out and after its indexed my main page still seems to rank #1 for that phrase until the front page post is replaced with a new one THEN the url of the page ranks #1 and not the main page any more..in only minutes – but then i see sometimes/all the time see a drop in that top ranking to the third page or so the same way i do if i edit a post because of typo, etc.. and then i also see previous posts climb when i add new posts!? any insight on this?

    does a new post rank well and then drop in ranking because its the power of the main page that is causing the ranking and then it drops because the replacement is a new page without juice yet?

    and finally…what happened to the blogger blog?! =(

    I hope you will reply to my questions and that other users will find this comment and possible reply useful as well!

    Your Loyal Visitor And Contributor! – That’s Interesting… Click! =P

  14. Scott

    Excellent!

    Your honesty is brutal :-) But that is why I and many others frequent your school of knowledge. No lies. No gimmicks. No underlying motives.

    When you stated, “Concentrate on relevant, in content, brand links and don’t worry about getting your keywords in the links. G has come a long way – if your pages are optimized properly then G knows what your page is about,” I was grateful to know that my recent efforts have not been in haste. For me, most of my internet marketing is focused on a variety of “business” related niches for clients, where brand links are relatively easy to come by, especially if you sell the product brand. [hint to the beginners] However, aside from them I have several sites that could use some brand links for. Care to elaborate on where one would get some, lets say, “Sports” brand links? Or any insight into this nature of links?

    What I am especially impressed about is the fact that you conduct experiments with sites that are already established, aged, and carry trust in the eyes of Google. Being relatively new to this, my personal sites have yet to meet all that criteria, but thanks to your experiments it is likely going to be easier to achieve positive results. Thank you!

    I was wondering, and likely for the sake of many, how do you know if your site has trust? Is there a tool, gadget, or code to get an analysis from Google?

    Thanks Griz :-)

  15. RT Cunningham

    Thanks for the mention, Griz.

    I’m just trying to take the best parts of what I’ve learned and break it down for anyone trying to go the DIY route. I’ve found that relying on a developer or theme designer to get back to you is an exercise in frustration, the waiting game. If you know what to do to fix something yourself, you can get rid of the wait time completely.

    I haven’t started hitting the CSS stuff yet and frankly, I have enough of the PHP stuff to last a long time. Don’t even ask about HTML and XHTML, or transitional or strict, my head would implode.

  16. Matory

    Hey, Grizzly!

    I’ve never commented your posts before. I want to thank you for sharing your knowledge, thoughts and ideas. I learnt so much from all your sites, and especially from MMOFB. It helped me a lot. I just had very difficult time and didn’t believe in success. When I was reading your post one after another I was becoming more confident and sure about my own actions. I definitely can’t do everything you suggest, but anyway I read, try and see what will happen. I also want to wish you Good Luck and Merry Christmas to you and your family!

    PS: I’m looking forward for more great posts :) and Thanks again.

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  18. The Honest Way

    Hey Griz,

    If anyone needs some CSS tutorials with a working example website, I wrote a bunch of them back in 2007 and they’re still valid now. You can find them by clicking the link on this comment name.

    Terry

  19. Jo Ann

    Hey Griz!

    I noticed that on your LinkIn page (https://ca.linkedin.com/in/grizzly), there are two links to your old MMO blog. Probably doesn’t amount to a hill of beans, but just happen to see it and thought I’d mention it.

    I suspect that link could probably be found in a few million places, including one of my own sites that I hadn’t even thought of changing until I read this article – it’s good to go now though!

    Great post on Link Profiles – as usual.

  20. Ross

    Hi Grizzly (and company),

    In respect to your post (which I find a breath of fresh air), I need to say that link building “seems” to take a lot of time away from what really makes a great site. I realize that sounds counter-seo and I mean no disrespect but long before I began my quest for seo knowledge I preached to clients (people I developed sites for) that the best way to market yourself online is to articulate your product/service in a way the end user could relate. This, in most cases, resulted in lots of naturally written content about first-hand products/services.

    As an example, I recently came off a nine year development/marketing contract with a web-based education site. Being honest, I didn’t have a clue about SEO in the early stages of this contract and didn’t advise building links. Instead we focused on lots of content that turned prospects into becoming buying customers.

    Looking back, I am almost embarrassed to admit the front-end of that particular site was so poorly optimized I shouldn’t even have considered myself qualified to sell online marketing services. That said, behind the front-end was a slick web-based learning solution (that we developed) and people loved it. And that is what got us links. We got links from industry channels we never canvassed, and we got links from client’s websites. Many of these links were to the home page and clearly branded, but more links were to our login and demo pages (lots were branded, and lots were miscellaneous, i.e. launch course, course login, etc.).

    Believe it or not, at one point we had the same title tag for almost every front-end page and still ranked top three for many important keywords before I had a clue what SEO was. When I finally started getting my head around seo and learned how to verify rankings and incoming links I was a shocked (in a good way). Don’t get me wrong, I’m not patting myself on the back – none of it was intentional, at least nothing during the first five or six years.

    Point being, I have spent the last few years ingesting seo and I struggle with the time it takes to implement (never mind learn) the tactics versus concentrating on how to make the content convincing enough to get people to try a demo, ask for more info, pick the phone, etc. I guess I wonder how much time should go into seo (i.e. intentional link building) versus product development and good old fashioned sales copy (that doesn’t sound slippery).

    Again, don’t misunderstand me, I’m not dissing seo, I’m fascinated by it, realize its importance, and honestly surprised how long it took it me to clue in. When I read posts like this, it excites me because it moves away from the repetitive, dizzying advice on ways to game the engines. This post, to me, is about being natural and that’s what has worked for me (or at least for clients I have had the pleasure of serving).

    Of course, what worked for my clients may not yield any results if the site’s intention is adsense clicks or affiliate sales. This is where things get a little fuzzy… I guess Griz is on the money when he eludes to the fact that seo is not a one size fits all.

    For anyone interested, the above mentioned site was getting 500 to 1000 uniques a day, 20 to 40 of them requesting demos (each day), and approximately 1MIL page views per month from paying clients (actually those page views came from the clients’ students). It was a solid web business, and a great contract… until they got acquired. Yep, a seven figure acquisition for a website that only had 250 odd customers. The new company kept me on for knowledge transfer then faded into the sunset with in-house development/marketing people.

    Moving forward… the flavour of this post is very encouraging and hopefully a sign that Griz is embarking on a direction in seo that is a lot more comfortable, at least for people like me. Been a follower for many years Griz and honestly can’t wait to you get rolling with the new marketing lessons, I think we’re all in for some exciting times!

    In closing I am so happy that you weren’t discouraged by whatever happened with your old blog and google and that you have decided to come back and openly share your passion for internet marketing.

    Regards,
    Ross

  21. Scott Ludtke

    After re-visiting, I just want to follow up my previous comment with mention to the fact that these comments are very valuable too! Without your awesome followers Griz, this site would not be as useful and informative. Not to take away from your content and wisdom, but these comments can certainly brew up some excellent and vital information and resources!

    Thank Griz, and thank you all too! :-)

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